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     Wednesday, August 15, 2007
    Wednesday, August 15, 2007 11:52:22 PM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00) ( )

    There is a discussion today at Webmasterworld http://www.webmasterworld.com regarding the fact that that someone noticed last night that Google has added one significant word to their webmaster guidelines regarding link schemes http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=66356&query=link+exchange&topic=&type

    That word is excessive.

    There has been a raging debate for years about how much is too much when it comes to reciprocal links. The debate rages for two basic reasons. #1. It is in Google's best interest to be a little vague when it comes to describing their policies and there can't be a single black/white answer because there are simply far too many variables.  #2. Those who can not see the point and the intent of Google's statements are very likely the ones most guilty of an infraction and simply do not want to see. 

    Of course you are free to believe what and whom you choose but here is my simple to understand, works every time, nothing to worry about approach to the question. Keep in mind that when I discuss these things it is always from a commercial perspective. I don't run hobby sites or non-profit sites. I spend my time looking at this stuff with a value driven, risk vs reward, how to make sale approach and always discuss it that way too.

    Is the link you are about to trade in a reciprocal deal, (reciprocal link means I will link to you if you will link to me), going to result in a desired action once the visitor gets to your site? Is the link you have pointing to you going to help convert enough visitors to make the link you are going to point to them worth sending a visitor from your site to theirs?

    Look, there is only one reason to exchange links with anybody. Because you believe you will gain something of value from the deal. If you think that value is getting one paying customer from every link pointing to you from someone else's site, then a million of them are NOT excessive. That is smart business and if you have a million paying customers from a million reciprocal links, who cares whether Google likes it or not? You don't need Google with a million paying customers.

    BUT, if you are telling people, (and yourself), that the reciprocal link is on theme and good for your visitors all the while you are not REALLY just wanting to help your visitors, what you are REALLY wanting is to see those links push you up higher in Google search results, then:
    #1. You're lying to yourself and trying to justify it and that makes even one reciprocal link excessive, and deep down you know it and don't need to be asking the question "how many is too many" in the first place.
    #2. You are looking for some easy way to "get around" the fact that building your business takes more than just being on the first page of Google and for some strange reason you have gotten it into your head that getting reciprocal links is easier than just building your business
    #3. You are forgetting the number one guiding principle of making money online. Search engine placements without conversion are the epitome of irony.  Search engine placement is an expense and if that expense does not result in enough sales to make a profit, then who the hell cares how many reciprocal links is excessive?

    #4. If you are trying to find out how many reciprocal links you can “get away with”, then whether you admit it or not, you are practicing black hat SEO. Just not very well. You would be better off accepting that you have now entered into high risk areas and your site could be penalized at any time so you might as well start learning about things like auto content generation, automated domain registrations, DNS manipulation, IP delivery, REAL link acquisition and so forth.

     
    It is not about reciprocal links or how many is too many. It is about making more money from less visitors with less expense and more profit.

    Don't let your self get sucked into wasting your time judging linking opportunities with a yardstick of whether Google will think it is excessive or not. Approach each reciprocal  link deal with a single thought. Will this link exchange bring me enough paying customers that I can justify recommending to my visitors to go to his site instead of staying at mine?

    If you approach it that way you have a much better chance of making money and as a fringe benefit you get Google placements too. Doesn't that make more sense than trying to get Google placements and as a fringe benefit you hope to get some sales?

     

    You don’t really need Google guidelines to tell you what is excessive. If you feel the need to ask, you know already.

     

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    Thursday, August 16, 2007 10:16:55 AM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
    "Don't let your self get sucked into wasting your time judging linking opportunities with a yardstick of whether Google will think it is excessive or not."

    Thanks, this is why I'm glad that you started blogging. At the last SES San Jose, Danny Sullivan asked "who is concerned about who they link out to?" (This was in response - I guess - to the google bad neighborhood linking FUD that came from Matt Cutts' blog) and many people raised their hands and I wondered to myself "Why? Why? Why?" I also thought that most of those people must not remember what blogs used to be like before the Blog Marketing Gurus were born and. before Google dictated best practices for linking... They were linkfests and random topic oriented (and I loved and miss those types of blogs) and sure were NOT themed or had a themed link structure or had to worry about nofollowing links. Many of them I found from links on other blogs and found new blogs from the links on theirs and I was a happy consumer of those blogs. I've always wondered and still do: if you are building your site for users why are you worring about what Google says about linking?

    Bob, I better stop there before I really get wound up. ;)
    Thursday, August 16, 2007 9:47:46 PM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
    Business or not: IMV people who will only consider Google (or whichever other search engine for that matter) when they start linking to others are anal-retentive spineless wimps. SEO is all very well but it can't compensate for character defects.

    And arguably, this may hurt your business as well - if you want people to take you, your products and your services seriously, especially if you're working in the upmarket, high price sector, you'd better make sure you actually stand by yourself rather than cringe and crawl whenever the Googlites happen to emit another whiff of FUD flatulence.

    And yeah, Bob, like Natasha I'd better stop lest I rant and rant and rant...
    Friday, August 17, 2007 12:13:37 PM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
    I think you're looking at reciprocal links from only a money making point of view and not considering all options. Not everyone puts a link up to make money - it could just be a friendly relationship, a recommendation, further education, associations, etc. I create websites for doctors and they need to link to the hospitals they belong to, and in turn the hospitals link to them because they are direct employees, or they are part of a medical association and link there and that association links to them because they are a member. And sometimes the number of links do add up, but I do not put these in the site to boost SEO. It's just a common practice in the field I'm in.

    "You don’t really need Google guidelines to tell you what is excessive. If you feel the need to ask, you know already." - I do wish Google could help by saying what's excessive, because I don't know already. There's completely legit reasons to have reciprocal links without trying to manipulate the system or to bring in a lot of money, and I need to know whether or not this is going to hurt the rankings or not, because it really shouldn't in cases where people are linking innocently in this manner. I don't expect to benefit SEO-wise from any of these links, but hope there is some way to tell if these links are simply out of association and education and not trying to fool the system so we arent penalized. It seems like it really wouldn't be possible, and that's quite a concern for practices like mine.
    Piosenka
    Saturday, August 18, 2007 1:23:03 AM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
    >I think you're looking at reciprocal links from only a money making point of view ,
    If the SEO Guru is talking about it, it is only from a money making point of view. To the SEO guru, there is no other option.

    >Not everyone puts a link up to make money <
    that may be true, but every body puts up a link for some reason. that reason is a motivation and if there is a motivation, still you should stop and ask yourself what is it I'm wanting to happen and is it worth my time and effort to try to make that happen. Links don't just fall off a tree and happen to point somewhere. someone has to do something for some reason to make them point anywhere. So even if you are just wanting to help out a buddy, is it worth your time and effort? seems a reasonable question no?

    >There's completely legit reasons to have reciprocal links without trying to manipulate the system <
    Any reason is a legit reason. Linking to me if I link to you isn't against the law.

    >I do wish Google could help by saying what's excessive<
    they can't say that and they are trying to help, (or at least get webmasters off their back about it) Excessive is a subjective term. It's like saying don't make that fuse too short or it could blow up in your hand. How short is too short? Depends on how far you can throw, how fast you can run and maybe how smart you are compared to the next person lighting the fuse.

    Look, I know the SEO Guru can be blunt but I'm not without compassion and I do understand your concern. I'm going to help you to feel better and enjoy life more by not having to worry so much. By the way, your employer is lucky to have someone who cares so much about their job.

    you're letting a pebble become a stone and there is really no good reason. Yes, it is possible that something bad could happen to your rankings. Your server may be down when the spider comes by, someone may 302 your site, some tech guy might get high on pot,(it happens trust me), and forget to renew the registration and maybe you might even reciprocate one too many links and get wiped out, but of all those way out scenarios, the link thing is the least likely. It's like worrying yourself sick because you MIGHT get run over by bus but no one will tell you standing how close to the curb is too close.

    If you want to trade links with your friends, do it. If you want to link your doctors to their hospital sites, do it. BUT, if at anytime something makes you start worrying about something else, then don't do it. Life is too short and there is a lot of ways to light a fuse.

    Google has no desire to do you any harm. Your a nice person just trying to do the right thing. If something bad did happen they have ways for you to contact them and get them to listen. sleep well tonight. you have no good reason to worry. Doesn't that sound about right to you?

    Of course if your lying to the Guru, karma will get you for sure.


    The Guru
    Sunday, August 19, 2007 5:46:26 PM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
    Enjoyed reading your post, I definitely agree with this statement "It is not about reciprocal links or how many is too many. It is about making more money from less visitors with less expense and more profit." Reciprocal linking with non-competitive but complimentary product sites has been very profitable for one of my clients. They get very little search engine boost from reciprocals, but google analytics clearly shows direct traffic that generated significant sales for the small amount of time it took to call up a few complimentary product sites and cross promote.



    Monday, August 20, 2007 10:53:18 PM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
    The article is correct however missing one major point. Did you ever heard of brand building? If godaddy.com is throwing their advertisement at 1 million football fans, does that mean they get 1 million domain registrations? No. They expose their brand to the public. This is exactly what I am doing when I am putting my link on all kinds of sites, I am not necessarily looking for a direct sale, I am looking for brand recognition for a business without millions to invest in football ads. Maybe the visitor comes back in 5 years, maybe he/she tells relatives/friends about it, and they tell other people etc.
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