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     Friday, August 17, 2007
    Friday, August 17, 2007 6:26:32 AM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00) ( )
    Don’t you just hate feeling like someone is cheating and winning while you play by the rules and lose? How good would it feel if you knew you were playing by the rules and winning for a change? Well, I’m about to tell you how you can do just that.

    When I was first starting out placing websites in the tops of search engines like most I spent a lot of time in forums asking questions and reading the advice of the other people just starting out. One tip that you could get on any seo or web promotion forum was PUT YOUR KEYWORDS IN YOUR TITLE.

    Well like most things SE0, conventional wisdom seemed to be if one is good, then more is better. So, almost every search you would do started returning links that had the exact the same thing you searched for repeated over and over in the big blue links in the results. THAT’S how smart search engines and webmasters were back then.

    Now over a decade later webmasters and search engines both are much smarter and realize repeated keywords in a title tag does not a relevant result make. With internet marketing now hitting the financial scale in the 10 digits the world knows now that a powerful marketing message and a value driven call to action is much more effective for a commercial search.

    Weeeeeelllll  you might think so but take a look at this results page for hotels in London

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=hotels+in+london&btnG=Google+Search

    Out of the entire list of  some 20+ results, (counting both the paid and organic), the closest thing to a marketing message are the words discount, cheap and budget in about half of the listings. OOOHH, we’re selling now! <extreme textual sarcasm

    I’m not saying SEO’s have done anything wrong. Obviously since Google highlights the matching words in the title and description, it must be a big part of the ranking algorithm right?

    Wrong! I have long said that the blame for poor results and lack of relevancy lies not so much at the feet of the webmasters who are only doing what they think the engines want them to do, but at least some of the blame lies squarely on the shoulders of the engines themselves.

    Those words are highlighted not because it is tipping the hand of the algorithm, they are highlighted to give the searcher the impression that the engine has located relevant results.

    GASP! SEO Guru, are you actually implying that the keywords in the title don’t play a part in an engine determining relevancy??? <multiple question marks to signify shock and disbelief<

    No. I’m not implying anything. I’m telling you that:
    #1. the keywords in the title tag don’t play nearly as big a role in the placement factors as the majority of people in the web marketing community believe and
    #2. what difference does it make if you are not #1 and #1 gets over 70% of the clicks. And we can’t all be number 1 all the time for every keyword.

     While I’m talking about getting clicks, I’ll address the fact that there is no question that results on the first page with keyword repetition in the title do get clicks, but my contention is that they get the clicks because they are on the first page NOT because the message offers value or has a clear call to action. This may be the single biggest factor to the entire web marketing world thinking that a 2.5 conversion ratio is pretty good.

    Search engines have done such a good job of public relations that the general consensus is that if it’s on the first page it MUST be relevant. In spite of the fact this is a misconception, it is actually a good thing because that is what enables a complete newbie to kick the butt of SEOs and steal their clicks.

    Let’s take a look at another search term. Granted this one is not as commercial and therefore not as competitive, so that will leave plenty of room for argument, (I actually enjoy the arguments but then I also enjoy bus fumes), but there can be no question that it shows keywords do not HAVE to be in the title to rank on the first page for a search.

    Let’s do a search  for rabbit husbandry. A VERY popular search term with young, affluent, adult male rabbits.
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=rabbit+husbandry&btnG=Search

    Notice that four of the 10 results do not have either word in their titles yet they are on the first page. Also note that there are highlighted references to the words in the description but that goes back to the engines trying desperately to “prove” to the searcher they found “relevant” results. We’ll discuss that a little more later.

    Also, check out a search for trajectory of the moon.
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=trajectory+of+the+moon&btnG=Search
    Now 6 out of the ten top results have neither word in the title. Obviously, keywords do not HAVE to be in the title to be on the first page.

    GASP! Are you actually advising us to not put keywords in the title SEO Guru???? <there’s that shock thing again with the multiple question marks>

    NO! If you omit the keyword from the title tag and description tag, the engine will have to hunt really hard to find matching words to highlight to give the impression that it found relevant results. This is the main reason, (well this and the fact that page rank is a little flawed and it needs some real help), that you don’t see your description tag in the results the way you write it.

    You used to be able to sell with your description tag, but those were the good old days. Now they have to show highlighted words from the search terms or it looks like they made a mistake so they will butcher your description or even use weird places in your text to accomplish this. Which means selling anything is tough but the engine looks good to the searcher. No problem. Remember, that which doesn't kill us only makes us stronger --- and more money if we do it right.

    The take away of today’s article is how to steal those clicks and what I’m telling you is that if you try to get more occurrences of your target term in your title tag which is limited to about 150 characters or so, including spaces, you are blowing it and letting the number 1 guy win. Use the space to make sure you have your target term in your description and text, (the anchor text of your inbound links actually have more to do with what gets highlighted from where on your site than your tags do), BUT if you want to steal the clicks from number 1 then sell the title tag!

    What if your title tag said
    Where do celebrities stay in London?
    Riverviews of the Thames from your hotel room
    Londons’sexiest concierge at your service
    etc, etc, etc.

    The point is almost anything besides Hotel London, london hotel, hotel discount in London, is going to stand out like a sore thumb and attract the eye.

    If you focus on selling with your title instead of stuffing the keywords into the title tag, any newbie can steal those clicks.
     

    Peace
    Massa

     PS
    If you’re thinking, “ok fine, SEO Guru,  but how do I get the top 10 away from all those seo’s in the first place?” Well, over the next few days, I’ll discuss how to use this strategy with long tail keywords and show you EXACTLY how.


     

    Friday, August 17, 2007 6:37:05 AM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
    Couldn't agree more.

    There's a lot that can be learnt from PPC - like CTR and then ported over to SEO. It rarely is though.

    Great to see you blogging Bob!
    Andy
    Friday, August 17, 2007 8:20:56 AM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
    informative article (for me as a wannabe seo and copywriter).

    so in conclusion can i say that title should look more natural and contain only one or two keywords i'm targeting at?
    Friday, August 17, 2007 9:04:11 AM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
    I have never heard of you before, but I am becoming a reader. I added you to my RSS reader.
    Friday, August 17, 2007 12:00:29 PM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
    Love it. Everywhere I've ever read has include Keywords in your title tags as a top tip!!! <Shock exclamation marks> but fantastic to at least fins something new on the SEO subject! Will have to give it a whirl and see what results we get.
    Friday, August 17, 2007 12:28:59 PM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
    @ Eimantas: My conclusion would be that YOU should test these things for yourself and not simply say "Because X said this, it must be true." There are so many nuances to all these SEO details that you read on Forums, Blogs, etc... such as there are multiple reasons why it is valuable to put keywords in the title in terms of Relevancy, and CTR (see Andy's comment)...
    Friday, August 17, 2007 12:58:34 PM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
    Natasha said:
    Because X said this, it must be true.

    Ordinarily the Guru would agree but when X is the SEO Guru --- it's true!

    Ok ok, having a little fun at that marketing girl's expense. Seriously, I'll address Eimantas question. After all it is Ask The SEO Guru
    >can i say that title should look more natural and contain only one or two keywords i'm targeting at<

    NO NO NO!!!! what in the heck is a "natural looking title? It is just characters on a page. if it's there --- it's natural enough all right.
    It's not about making them "look" like anything. It's about crafting the title tag with more focus on the searcher than the search engine for the express purpose of stealing the click from the guy who gets the majority of clicks simply because he has the number 1 position. If you are not at #1, the person who is has a huge advantage over #2 through #10. I'm talking about how to get that searcher to click on your title instead of the spammy title at #1. It ain't easy and it takes some thought and consideration, (I know how most people hate that), but what I'm telling anyone who will listen is that you don't have to be restricted because all over the web for years you've read that you HAVE to have your keywords in the title. in fact, to the guru, the only thing you HAVE to do is convert and that starts by getting qualified prospects to click your link from the results page. This post was just a tip on how one could accomplish that objective. AND you can still shoot for #1 and with a well crafted sales message for a title AND a #1, wow! one halfway decent keyword can make you a lot of money.
    The Guru
    Friday, August 17, 2007 4:49:43 PM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
    As a writer and an SEO it sometimes seems that my brethren will do almost anything to avoid using their imaginations and learning to write, hence the slavish use of obvious keywords in titles. Great advice and I look forward to your long tail advice because in the lead gen world long tail can be very lucrative- selling leads for obscure, complex, expensive things is the next big move, IMHO
    Friday, August 17, 2007 5:02:47 PM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
    "the keywords in the title tag don’t play nearly as big a role in the placement factors as the majority of people in the web marketing community believe "

    This is just plain ridiculous.

    #1: It should be common sense that you can have the best on-page SEO in the world, if you don't have back links and another site does have a couple of thousands with keyword-rich linktext from theme relevant sites, you're screwed - no matter if they have the keyword in their title tag or not. Coming to the conclusion that it's not important is a bit lame.
    #2: According to the Search Engine Ranking Factors Article by SEOMoz, the title-tag is the single most important onpage factor. And that was determined by the most respected people in the industry.

    I'd say it takes more than some lame assumptions to be a guru.
    Friday, August 17, 2007 5:38:29 PM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
    #1 >Coming to the conclusion that it's not important is a bit lame<
    to the conclusion WHAT's not important??? you've bitched about at least three things in one sentence and I never made a remark about any of them

    #2. >the title-tag is the single most important onpage factor.<
    did I not say the same thing? Yes. It is the single most important on page factor. I like to use it to sell stuff with. And by the way,I agree they are some of the most respected people in the industry. I certainly have the utmost respect for the entire SEOMoz community.

    I'm going to go out an a limb here Martin and take a guess that you have recently sphunn a post of your own about how important it is get your keyword in the title tag at least three times and now reading my post your mad. your not sure what about exactly you just know you don't like everything about something I might say sometime in the future. Also a quick look at your own title tags on your triathlon blog and then searching google for that term and not finding you in the top 20, maybe it's a good time to broaden your own title tag horizons a bit.

    you sound like a fun guy Martin. Why don't you come back when you run out of pot and bitch about something I DID say?
    The Guru
    Friday, August 17, 2007 7:30:44 PM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
    at least you're fun too...

    you stated
    "[...]I’m telling you that:
    #1. the keywords in the title tag don’t play nearly as big a role in the placement factors as the majority of people in the web marketing community believe and [...]"
    which sounds (to me) like if you are telling me that the keywords in the title tag are not important, from where I obviously mistakenly concluded that you mean the title tag itself isn't important.

    "I'm going to go out an a limb here Martin and take a guess that you have recently sphunn a post of your own about how important it is get your keyword in the title tag at least three times and now reading my post your mad. your not sure what about exactly you just know you don't like everything about something I might say sometime in the future. "
    That was fun!

    "Also a quick look at your own title tags on your triathlon blog and then searching google for that term and not finding you in the top 20, maybe it's a good time to broaden your own title tag horizons a bit."
    Well, you don't wann go down the road and compare search engine rankings mr "I-cant-be-found-at-all-for-the-name-of-my-blog". finally I found you though. place 47 for the phrase "seo guru" (in quotes). Out of the enormous amount of 52700 results. that's what I call competition! I know, I know. It's a new blog, but you call yourself SEO Guru, right?
    Friday, August 17, 2007 9:20:38 PM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
    Yeah I know I'm pretty disappointed it's been almost 24 hours and the best I can muster is a #1 for kick an SEO's butt and #1 and #2 for ask the SEO guru and #3 for ask the seo. Must be that sandbox thing we used to hear so much about.

    the reason I mention this is not because Mr. M threw down the guantlet. I never like to get in the "my placement is bigger than yours" thing because WE DON'T CONTROL THE ENGINES. that placement could be gone tomorrow. could be gone in a few minutes. I mention it because of the title thing I'm trying to point out. I'm also at #39 or how to steal clicks and with a few more links it will hit the first page and when it does my title will pull more clicks than the other 9 on the page. Seo guru is at #13 or so as well, so now everyone can see your point I've had the whole day and that's the best I can do. HMMPH Clearly I've been exposed.

    But at least notice the title and how I am now placed for more than SEO guru and when someone does see the link my title draws more interest than just having the word seo repeated two or three times. That title didn't just happen. I made it happen and so could you.

    I can do this stuff in my sleep, but you don't have to believe me. we can all choose to believe whoever we want. one of the great things about being human

    The Guru
    Saturday, August 18, 2007 12:59:25 AM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
    looking forward to your post about the long tail keywords
    Saturday, August 18, 2007 1:18:37 AM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
    Guru, you are so right about the keywords not meaning that much these days. Nowadays its all about the link juice and other factors that get you ranked so you are really much better off just creating good clean title that people can "READ" rather that junk like "Rooms in london cheap car rental discount prices":).
    Saturday, August 18, 2007 4:55:50 AM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
    Interesting and Different Read! Its true that Web Marketers literally SPAM the title tag. Can't wait to read about your Long Tail Keywords. I am your big fan.
    Kaushal
    Saturday, August 18, 2007 9:50:45 PM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
    Funny to read "I don't know who you are". Was 2002 really that long ago?

    I had pared my SEO blog reading down to just two or three every other week or so. Now you go and get a blog. Not to mention that you are given these young bucks some real info, not the regurgitated pablum they know and love. Damn.
    Kirby
    Monday, August 20, 2007 4:49:07 PM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
    Very controversial, but extremely inspiring. Will be back here a few times a week.
    Monday, August 27, 2007 10:57:48 AM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
    Google isnt nearly as sophisticated as it likes to make out, it sadens me greatly so see sites <a href="http://home2.btconnect.com/city-suburban-tr/">like this</a> rank #4 for "tree surgeons" ...

    but, note the phrase isnt in the <title>, there are no keywords, description etc and it's not even sat on it own URL.

    The 'site' itself had a pretty large amount of tree related content which coupled with blatent spamming of anything tree related seems to keep google more than happy (if not me).
    Tuesday, August 28, 2007 4:35:05 PM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
    Nice post Bob, What happened to the "SearchKing"? Ah, I like <a html="http://massa.techndu.com">"Seo Guru"</a> better anyways! We'll have to catch up soon. I told good ol' Billy you said hello. Hope all is well!

    Dustin Erickson

    Dustin Erickson
    Tuesday, August 28, 2007 4:36:12 PM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
    knew that wouldn't work...I'll be in touch.
    Dustin Erickson
    Tuesday, August 28, 2007 7:06:43 PM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
    SearchKing is alive and well. In fact techndu is a division of SearchKing Techno Labs of India.
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